From: Simon Wistow Date: 18:51 on 23 Jan 2007 Subject: Possibly PuTTY, possibly something else. It's still hate. Given that PuTTY is generally pretty damn nifty I'm willing to possibly lay the blame on something else (for example, XP itself. Or a a peice of Virtual Desktop software I'm running called Virtual Dimension) hwoever the hate still stands with ... with SOMETHING DAMMIT. And it smells like this. The only way you can close a Putty session is by exiting the shell or by killing the process in the Task Manager. This is retarded. If I lose my network connection then when I regain it to close all the inactive windows I have to go to each of them, restart the session then type exit. GRAAAGAGGAGAGAGH. This is especially irritating when I've still got my connections open to other machines on the same LAN or the Xen instance I'm running on my machine because my shortcut of firing up the Task Manager and hitting kill process is nigh on impossible because the process name doesn't have the host I'm connected to in it. KILL! MURDER! DEATH!
From: seph Date: 20:19 on 23 Jan 2007 Subject: Re: Possibly PuTTY, possibly something else. It's still hate. Simon Wistow <simon@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> writes: > The only way you can close a Putty session is by exiting the shell or by > killing the process in the Task Manager. While all software is hateful, the windows's "close window" button on the title bar works fine. If your window manager hides that, then it's truely hateful. seph
From: Simon Wistow Date: 20:21 on 23 Jan 2007 Subject: Re: Possibly PuTTY, possibly something else. It's still hate. On Tue, Jan 23, 2007 at 03:19:11PM -0500, seph said: > While all software is hateful, the windows's "close window" button on > the title bar works fine. If your window manager hides that, then it's > truely hateful. Weirdly enough that was my first port of call - it's not hidden it's just greyed out. And the close item is gone from the window context menu. And it's only PuTTY, nothing else.
From: Hakim Cassimally Date: 20:53 on 23 Jan 2007 Subject: Re: Possibly PuTTY, possibly something else. It's still hate. You can sometimes 'restart session' from a dead putty. But oddly sometimes not. (yes i'm using virtual dimensions too, also hateful) -- osfameron On 23/01/07, Simon Wistow <simon@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > On Tue, Jan 23, 2007 at 03:19:11PM -0500, seph said: > > While all software is hateful, the windows's "close window" button on > > the title bar works fine. If your window manager hides that, then it's > > truely hateful. > > Weirdly enough that was my first port of call - it's not hidden it's > just greyed out. And the close item is gone from the window context > menu. > > And it's only PuTTY, nothing else. > >
From: Andrew Black - lists Date: 07:38 on 24 Jan 2007 Subject: Re: Possibly PuTTY, possibly something else. It's still hate. Hakim Cassimally wrote: > You can sometimes 'restart session' from a dead putty. > But oddly sometimes not. My experience is that sometimes PuTTY doesn't notice the connection has dropped. I find typing a few keystrokes into the dead session gets it to notice. Is this what you are seeing. >(yes i'm using virtual dimensions too, also > hateful) DO I get the feeling that virtual dimensions is worth avoiding.
From: seph Date: 22:44 on 23 Jan 2007 Subject: Re: Possibly PuTTY, possibly something else. It's still hate. Simon Wistow <simon@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> writes: > On Tue, Jan 23, 2007 at 03:19:11PM -0500, seph said: >> While all software is hateful, the windows's "close window" button on >> the title bar works fine. If your window manager hides that, then it's >> truely hateful. > > Weirdly enough that was my first port of call - it's not hidden it's > just greyed out. And the close item is gone from the window context > menu. > > And it's only PuTTY, nothing else. My Putty hasn't ever done that. Active or inactive. seph
From: Yoz Grahame Date: 22:51 on 23 Jan 2007 Subject: Re: Possibly PuTTY, possibly something else. It's still hate. On 1/23/07, seph <seph@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Simon Wistow <simon@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> writes: > > > On Tue, Jan 23, 2007 at 03:19:11PM -0500, seph said: > >> While all software is hateful, the windows's "close window" button on > >> the title bar works fine. If your window manager hides that, then it's > >> truely hateful. > > > > Weirdly enough that was my first port of call - it's not hidden it's > > just greyed out. And the close item is gone from the window context > > menu. > > > > And it's only PuTTY, nothing else. > > My Putty hasn't ever done that. Active or inactive. Nor mine. Furthermore, when my PuTTY's connection dies, it pops up a warning box to this effect, and on OK the whole window closes away. This is mildly hateful in itself, but for exactly the opposite reason, in that I now need to restart PuTTY and choose the connection I want in order to restore a dead one. -- Yoz
From: Phil!Gregory Date: 03:55 on 24 Jan 2007 Subject: Re: Possibly PuTTY, possibly something else. It's still hate. * Yoz Grahame <yoz@xxx.xxx> [2007-01-23 14:51 -0800]: > Nor mine. Furthermore, when my PuTTY's connection dies, it pops up a > warning box to this effect, and on OK the whole window closes away. I believe the vanishing window here is configurable; mine don't do this (dead windows hang around until I close them), and I'm pretty sure I've seen a checkbox somewhere to the effect of "close windows when connection closes". As for Simon's problem, I've never seen anything like it, so my inclination would be to lay the hate at the feet of Virtual Dimension. Not that that helps. Hateful situations are hateful regardless of whose fault they are, especially if you can't fix them.
From: demerphq Date: 11:56 on 24 Jan 2007 Subject: Re: Possibly PuTTY, possibly something else. It's still hate. On 1/23/07, Yoz Grahame <yoz@xxx.xxx> wrote: > On 1/23/07, seph <seph@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Simon Wistow <simon@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> writes: > > > > > On Tue, Jan 23, 2007 at 03:19:11PM -0500, seph said: > > >> While all software is hateful, the windows's "close window" button on > > >> the title bar works fine. If your window manager hides that, then it's > > >> truely hateful. > > > > > > Weirdly enough that was my first port of call - it's not hidden it's > > > just greyed out. And the close item is gone from the window context > > > menu. > > > > > > And it's only PuTTY, nothing else. > > > > My Putty hasn't ever done that. Active or inactive. > > Nor mine. Furthermore, when my PuTTY's connection dies, it pops up a > warning box to this effect, and on OK the whole window closes away. > This is mildly hateful in itself, but for exactly the opposite reason, > in that I now need to restart PuTTY and choose the connection I want > in order to restore a dead one. If that warning box is modal and is being rendered on the wrong desktop I bet it explains the greyed out close buttons on Simon's putty windows. Cheers, Yves
From: Martin Ebourne Date: 12:11 on 24 Jan 2007 Subject: Re: Possibly PuTTY, possibly something else. It's still hate. I'm hating putty at the moment for just hanging my session. I use it to log into a linux machine and port the x display back to =20 the cygwin X server. It just hung the session on me so I just lost a =20 dozen xterms and other stuff besides. This is downright evil. It hung the X server too, or maybe the X server hung it. I'm hating =20 quantify as well since I was trying to close its window when the whole =20 thing froze and also because clicking the buttons on its crappy UI =20 doesn't work, or maybe I hate the cygwin X server for that. Still, =20 opening another session and killing the quantify process didn't save =20 me so it's not all quantify's fault. People seem to like putty because its the best ssh/terminal program =20 for windows. Well it does seem to be, but I hate it because it's still =20 crap compared to almost any ssh/terminal combination on almost any =20 other platform. The main problem with this software hate thing is that it's often not =20 trivial to know which software to hate. Although almost all software =20 seems hateful, so that's one solution I guess. Fuck it. Cheers, Martin.
From: Martin Ebourne Date: 12:16 on 24 Jan 2007 Subject: Re: Possibly PuTTY, possibly something else. It's still hate. demerphq <demerphq@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > If that warning box is modal and is being rendered on the wrong > desktop I bet it explains the greyed out close buttons on Simon's > putty windows. Modal dialogue boxes are the work of the devil. Every single use of one(*) is inexcusable. The people responsible for making these things should be hit with peeled bananas for the rest of eternity. I can't even blame microsoft for these, although they have always been champions of the modal dialogue box, I'm pretty sure they predate windows. Cheers, Martin. (*) Apart from a locking screensaver, although that's not really modal, just full screen and in front.
From: David Cantrell Date: 12:23 on 24 Jan 2007 Subject: Re: Possibly PuTTY, possibly something else. It's still hate. On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 12:16:41PM +0000, Martin Ebourne wrote: > Modal dialogue boxes are the work of the devil. Every single use of > one(*) is inexcusable. > > (*) Apart from a locking screensaver, although that's not really > modal, just full screen and in front. Oh no it jolly well isn't! Or if it is in front, it's not far enough in front. On this 'ere box, if my screen is locked (using xscreensaver, so nothing unusual) and I'm running Evolution, then if Evolution decides to pop up an alarm thingy, it's visible. Which is a Very Bad Thing.
From: H.Merijn Brand Date: 12:53 on 24 Jan 2007 Subject: Re: Possibly PuTTY, possibly something else. It's still hate. On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:23:26 +0000, David Cantrell <david@xxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> wrote: > On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 12:16:41PM +0000, Martin Ebourne wrote: > > > Modal dialogue boxes are the work of the devil. Every single use of > > one(*) is inexcusable. > > > > (*) Apart from a locking screensaver, although that's not really > > modal, just full screen and in front. > > Oh no it jolly well isn't! Or if it is in front, it's not far enough in > front. > > On this 'ere box, if my screen is locked (using xscreensaver, so nothing > unusual) and I'm running Evolution, then if Evolution decides to pop up > an alarm thingy, it's visible. Which is a Very Bad Thing. Worse than Modal Dialogs are Modal dialogs that snatch focus and disappear automatically after a timeout without returning focus to where it was before they stole it. Hate!
From: Simon Wistow Date: 00:38 on 24 Jan 2007 Subject: Re: Possibly PuTTY, possibly something else. It's still hate. On Tue, Jan 23, 2007 at 05:44:27PM -0500, seph said: > My Putty hasn't ever done that. Active or inactive. I am indescribably happy for you.
From: Tia Marie Date: 05:02 on 24 Jan 2007 Subject: Re: Possibly PuTTY, possibly something else. It's still hate. On Jan 23, 2007, at 2:44 PM, seph wrote: > Simon Wistow <simon@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> writes: > >> On Tue, Jan 23, 2007 at 03:19:11PM -0500, seph said: >>> While all software is hateful, the windows's "close window" >>> button on >>> the title bar works fine. If your window manager hides that, then >>> it's >>> truely hateful. >> >> Weirdly enough that was my first port of call - it's not hidden it's >> just greyed out. And the close item is gone from the window context >> menu. >> >> And it's only PuTTY, nothing else. > > My Putty hasn't ever done that. Active or inactive. > > seph I'm absolutely in love with PuTTY, though I've gotta say I've never had this problem, and I have problems with PuTTY crashing a good bit and I can still close it without going through those problems. --Tia
From: demerphq Date: 21:22 on 23 Jan 2007 Subject: Re: Possibly PuTTY, possibly something else. It's still hate. On 1/23/07, Simon Wistow <simon@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > This is especially irritating when I've still got my connections open to > other machines on the same LAN or the Xen instance I'm running on my > machine because my shortcut of firing up the Task Manager and hitting > kill process is nigh on impossible because the process name doesn't have > the host I'm connected to in it. Maybe procexp from sysinternals.com will help you with this one. Yves
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